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Buy-to-let; Buy it personally or set up a company
MikeP
Posted: 03 May 2011 10:21:42(UTC)
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Dear all,

I am thinking of buying my first buy to let property and wanted to ask other investors for the pros and cons of buying it individually or setting up a limited company and purchasing through there?

- Impact on mortgage availability?
- Taxation issues?
- Legal implications?
- Anything that might crop up?

Regards.
MikeP
Joe Soap
Posted: 03 May 2011 19:11:51(UTC)
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An obvious one is that companies do not have an annual CGT allowance unlike individuals. I think you need specialist advice on this since running a specialist property business might be more complex/costly than you think?
Angie Newnham
Posted: 04 May 2011 09:25:34(UTC)
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But companies pay Corporation tax on profits which is lower than personal tax. However, Joe is right that you will need to take proper tax advice from an accountant.

With regard to mortgages you will need to show the lender that the Company can afford the mortgage. The Directors will normally have to sign personal guarantees in favour of the mortgage company so that if the company went insolvent the mortgage company can sue the Directors personally for repayment of the debt. A charge taken out by a Company also has to be registered at Companies House against that company's records, but this is something that your lawyer should deal with for you on completion of the purchase and prior to registration at the Land Registry.
Joe Soap
Posted: 04 May 2011 12:00:32(UTC)
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Small Co Corporation tax is now 20% from year 11/12. professional advice is needed for this topic.
Andrew Butler
Posted: 13 June 2012 05:10:23(UTC)
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Personally, I feel that it's one of the best things to do now. However, there's a lot of expert advice you might need on where to invest and where you should not. Buying property in Mougins is a good move I feel, the property value there is improving massively. All the best with your endeavor. :)
alan franklin
Posted: 13 June 2012 06:49:15(UTC)
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MikeP;1244 wrote:
Dear all,

I am thinking of buying my first buy to let property and wanted to ask other investors for the pros and cons of buying it individually or setting up a limited company and purchasing through there?

- Impact on mortgage availability?
- Taxation issues?
- Legal implications?
- Anything that might crop up?

Regards.
MikeP


Hi Mike.

We have three properties in our property company, all owned outright. We find it easier to keep the books and claim VAT and expenses if the company is ring-fenced from other activities.
If you wish to sell a property and take advantage of the annual capital gains allowance you can always sell a property back to yourself, then sell it on. Obviously care would have to be taken over the valuation.

Do not assume property is easy money. We have five properties in all, including a commercial property, and other properties we are responsible for - about nine in all. Not a day passes without some problem or crisis, even though they are well managed with good tenants.

Do not be taken in by property programmes which show "easy money" being made and high yields. We have been involved in property development etc for over 40 years and have yet to make our fortune. We rented even before the shorthold tenancy act came into being and it was difficult. It still has many problems and the yields we achieve have been nothing like those mentioned on TV. We reckon that, if you properly maintain your investments and include all costs, including considerable running about, phone calls, accountancy costs, finance, etc etc, your return will be nearer three per cent than the much higher sums I constantly see quoted. We have improved, bought, sold and rented over 80 properties so know a bit about it.

I very much doubt we will see capital gains on property in the future, so that can effectively be ruled out of the equation.

Unless you have time on your hands, can do a lot of maintenance work yourself, know about plumbing etc and are prepared to get involved with tenants, you might find it easier to buy good dividend yielding shares. It's a lot less hassle.
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? BillT1
Posted: 21 August 2012 11:24:36(UTC)
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I think you will find that you could be subject to a double charge in tax if you decided to sell up, if properties are held in a company. First the company would pay tax on any gain it makes on selling the properties. Then, if you liquidate the company, to get the cash out from the sales, you will pay capital gains on the proceeds over your base cost in the shares.
mr rowe
Posted: 22 August 2012 14:38:45(UTC)
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Don't forget Principal Private Residence relief, if you move into one of your BTL, live there long enough to convince the revenue it's your principal residence and then move on you get the next 3 years free of CGT.
Rosana hmela
Posted: 29 November 2012 13:29:48(UTC)
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This is the best time to do Buy-to-let business. For secure and profitable investment the is very good business. .
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KENNETH WEBB
Posted: 30 November 2012 11:24:05(UTC)
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I now have six Buy2Let properties with mortgages in my name & these are held in trust by a limited company. Initially there were four partners & now there are two. One left legitimately with some properties,one sadly died & two of us remain.I'm the major shareholder.

It's perfectly legal but mortgages are taken on an individual basis then trust deeds come into play. Also as have found out if a member dies there's paperwork to support the situation which arises.

Yes we have annual accounts done by an accountant. However overall it works but you do need a number of properties. How many depends on how many members/shareholders & turnover.

tilly
Anthony Keller
Posted: 07 March 2013 11:53:36(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

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