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Why people tend to stick in the social and economic class in which they are born
Micawber
Posted: 07 July 2014 10:43:12(UTC)
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It is a well-known fact that corruption increases with increasing closeness to the equator, as charts in preparation by researchers at the University of Cayman will show. Corruption varies from zero or close to zero in Antarctica and the Arctic Circle (there are some outliers like Svalbaard) to significantly high levels in certain equatorial African, Asian and Latin American countries. This is attributed to ambient temperatures. Advanced research yet to be fully substantiated gives strong indications that global corruption levels are rising with global warming.

The corruption gradient between the relative purity of Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh, and the stinkhole of London (and Paris and Washington, on similar latitides) should be seen in this context. Again there have been some anomalous readings in the North, as those who recall the Poulson scandals will acknowledge, but in general Liverpool, Newcastle Manchester and Birmingham have far lower levels of corruption than Felixstowe, London or Dover.

In the case of Scotland, whose parliamentary representatives are models of their kind, the remedy is to vote for Alex Salmond. Along with his colleagues, he is an exemplary figure, seemingly combining the integrity of a politician, the probity of a banker, the insatiable desire for truth of a journalist, a generosity equal to that of any CEO of a utility company, the selflessness of a rock star and the altruism of a children's entertainer. His administration will certainly be a shining example of competence and enlightenment.

Or so my idol Jonathan Swift might have written.
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sandid3
Posted: 07 July 2014 11:06:18(UTC)
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“Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own.”

“Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through.”

“I never wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder to see them not ashamed.”

Why do the Irish have all the best quotes?
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Posted: 03 September 2014 10:05:00(UTC)
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Excellent argument in the Guardian today:

Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm
England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country? - George Monbiot

The article does actually address the title of this topic.
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Posted: 03 September 2014 12:25:01(UTC)
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Micawber;24832 wrote:
It is a well-known fact that corruption increases with increasing closeness to the equator, as charts in preparation by researchers at the University of Cayman will show. Corruption varies from zero or close to zero in Antarctica and the Arctic Circle (there are some outliers like Svalbaard) to significantly high levels in certain equatorial African, Asian and Latin American countries. This is attributed to ambient temperatures. Advanced research yet to be fully substantiated gives strong indications that global corruption levels are rising with global warming.

The corruption gradient between the relative purity of Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh, and the stinkhole of London (and Paris and Washington, on similar latitides) should be seen in this context. Again there have been some anomalous readings in the North, as those who recall the Poulson scandals will acknowledge, but in general Liverpool, Newcastle Manchester and Birmingham have far lower levels of corruption than Felixstowe, London or Dover.

In the case of Scotland, whose parliamentary representatives are models of their kind, the remedy is to vote for Alex Salmond. Along with his colleagues, he is an exemplary figure, seemingly combining the integrity of a politician, the probity of a banker, the insatiable desire for truth of a journalist, a generosity equal to that of any CEO of a utility company, the selflessness of a rock star and the altruism of a children's entertainer. His administration will certainly be a shining example of competence and enlightenment.

Or so my idol Jonathan Swift might have written.


Two thoughts:

a) There are so few people in such inhospitable environments as the Antarctic/Arctic that you need all the friends you can get - so corruption would not be an act of self-interest.

b) Were you describing Alex Salmond or Vladimir Putin? (This question with my 'Swift' hat on).
Micawber
Posted: 04 September 2014 06:28:34(UTC)
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I am looking forward to the vote in the Shetland Isles on secession from independent Scotland. The Shetlands are exceedingly well placed for oil resources and quite reasonably think they should get the money (for that is what politics is mostly about).

Will Alexei Salmond send in troops? l wonder.
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Posted: 04 September 2014 07:27:07(UTC)
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With no nuclear deterrent, open mutiny in the army( minimum groat per unit of alcohol increase) and the Balmoral crisis, wee Alex better think twice.
sandid3
Posted: 04 September 2014 07:56:17(UTC)
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Remember that giddy optimism at the start of 2007? What could possibly go wrong for London now? It’s that fin de siècle feeling again.
Micawber
Posted: 04 September 2014 08:14:51(UTC)
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From here within the M25 beltway it looks more like renaissance. Striking Olympics-fuelled regeneration in East London, amazingly strong creative industries from film through advertising to TV content provision. Similar story in tech. Financial sector leaner and meaner. Competitiveness improving, company tax regime relatively favourable. Good supply of skilled labour. The sun is out and my shares are going up. No wonder everyone wants to come here to live. And there's so much to do , so many interesting people to talk to.
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Posted: 04 September 2014 09:28:43(UTC)
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Sandid3, i am Mancunian, have no ties to London, except feelings of gratitude. My guess is we have an economy and lifestyle of Poland without the capital.
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Posted: 04 September 2014 09:52:46(UTC)
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Uphill, I was born in Radcliffe, grew up in Whitefield and now feel an immense gratitude to my parents’ generation - those that won the war, defeated Churchill’s party and went on to create the welfare state. Without that welfare state I and many other working class lads would have been returned to a culture of privilege and fear that existed in the 1930s. I now see a London establishment trying to recreate that culture of privilege and fear.

Scotland has shown that a well-managed welfare state is viable. The Tories have shown that a neoliberal austerity economic policy and an authoritarian social policy are not. An independent Scotland is a force for good.

(Funny you mentioned Poland - it took me back to the Polish club that I used to pass in Bury).
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Posted: 04 September 2014 10:24:56(UTC)
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Micawber;25229 wrote:
From here within the M25 beltway it looks more like renaissance. Striking Olympics-fuelled regeneration in East London,

And you don't see the problem there at all...
sandid3
Posted: 05 September 2014 03:48:49(UTC)
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In the Telegraph today:

Why a Scottish yes vote could prove overwhelmingly positive for the rest of the UK - Jeremy Warner

A good investor should see this as an opportunity, not a problem.
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 06 September 2014 15:30:14(UTC)
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An independent Scotland would come unstuck for all the reasons previously stated.

Rump UK would suffer worse without the Scottish votes to deprive the Tories of a permanent majority. The current regime's return to Thatcher's Victorian Values such as mass poverty, falling real wages, underemployment, children with rickets, epidemic depression, growing slums and overcrowding, sick and disabled people left to rot... ... is an indication of the disaster that awaits us.

The first article:
Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine, March 1851. illustrates the horrors that would follow.

On the topic of London, I have worked there, have friends who live there and my two longest standing friends were born there. It is a great city to live in - for the well off and for the culturally inclined. It does get a disproportionately large share of state spending on transport and culture. Far more so than Scotland ever has. Its influence tends to work against the national interest since it is the UK (and sometimes planetary) centre of financial crises. The consequences of which are born far and wide outside its bounds. The UK is far too centralised.

Among my other friends, one was born in Radcliffe and most live in and were educated in Manchester and Greater Manchester. The quality of life for the less well off is much better hereabouts.
Clive B
Posted: 06 September 2014 21:43:05(UTC)
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If Scotland were to vote for independence, it would appear that both Scotland and rUK would each get a government more in line with the voting intentions of the respective populations. On those grounds, it would be a good thing.
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Posted: 07 September 2014 07:45:30(UTC)
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The London media thought they could see off independence by demonising Alex Salmond and rigging opinion polls/panels. But Salmond isn’t on the ballot paper; independence is. And the debate has been going on for so long that Scots do know what they’re voting for.

People in the southeast may have been fooled into paying no attention because the London media said it wouldn’t happen. But they’re waking up now.

The southeast has also been lulled into thinking independent Scotland will lead to a Tory rUK. Again, they’ve just been brainwashed by the biased London media (including the BBC). The Tories are disintegrating now.

It could all end in chaos. But federalism is on the table and it won’t go away.

After the Yes vote, Miliband should admit he was wrong, commit to a velvet separation with Scotland and commit to devolution into a regional federal system for rUK .

Northern England has a lot to gain from that, with shale gas and Jim O’Neill’s report: Connected Cities – The link to growth.

Scottish independence is just the beginning.
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 07 September 2014 23:16:44(UTC)
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Clive B

A high proportion of English people would vote for a Tory government. Does that give them the right to destroy the happiness and well being of the rest of us?

Hitler was elected by the two-legged vermin then infesting Germany. Did that give them the right to attempt to destroy civilisation?

I am not suggesting the Tories are about to build gas chambers. Short of that...?
Clive B
Posted: 08 September 2014 07:43:36(UTC)
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Jeremy

There is no system that guarantees the happiness and well being of all of the people. Democracy would seem to be one of the better systems for delivering it for the majority.
jeffian
Posted: 08 September 2014 13:36:34(UTC)
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"Scotland has shown that a well-managed welfare state is viable."

Really? I thought that it showed a welfare-dependent state required a disproportionate subsidy from the rest of us. If the 'yes' vote wins, we'll find out how "viable" the Scottish model is.

And, Jeremy, as for poor downtrodden Scots and Northerners being crushed under the heel of the evil Tories, I would have to point out that there have been approximately equal periods since the War during which Conservatives and Labour held power, so those of us of a non-socialist persuasion may equally feel that our interests have not always been looked after (98% tax?) and on those occasions it has been the Scottish/Northern tail wagging the British bulldog! If nothing else, the consequences of a 'yes' vote will make for an interesting social experiment to see how a baked-in Labour country develops in comparison to a broadly conservative one.

Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 08 September 2014 19:36:08(UTC)
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jeffian

Do you even know what a socialist is?

I am a capitalist who knows that wilful ignorance, greed and malice are apt to spoil the party for us all. So, I support policies such as moderately progressive taxation to provide a decent level of health, education and infrastructure. These benefit the whole population.

Tories apparently believe that they can live in prosperity while leaving the rest of us to rot in the misery and squalor engineered by their policies. Do they want to live in gated communities protected by land mines, automated machine guns and razor wire? This is the logical consequence of your electing psychopaths and sociopaths.
jeffian
Posted: 08 September 2014 21:25:35(UTC)
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Of course it is, Jeremy.





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