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Are all energy suppliers trying to rip us off?
Victoria Bischoff (Citywire)
Posted: 02 September 2010 15:13:01(UTC)
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Consumers hate energy companies even more than they hate the banks, and judging from recent news it’s really not difficult to understand why.

Just today energy watchdog Ofgem announced four of the ‘big six’ energy companies, EDF, Scottish Power, Southern Energy and npower, are now under investigation over concerns of mis-selling contracts to customers.

Last October Ofgem introduced tougher obligations for suppliers selling energy contracts, but it seems some suppliers are still flouting the rules and giving consumers misleading quotes and information which leave them worse off when they switch provider.

Ofgem is also currently investigating two energy companies (rumoured, but not confirmed, to be EDF and Scottish Power) for not complying with its new price regulations that are supposed to prevent suppliers varying prices unfairly depending on where you live.

Meanwhile energy companies are constantly being criticised by consumer groups for not passing reductions in wholesale prices onto consumers in the form of lower bills, yet are quick to increase bills when costs go up.

Add this to confusing bills that prevent people from being able to check if they are paying the right amount - which the cynics amongst us might say is done on purpose to ensure people pay more than they have to – and you’d be forgiven for thinking energy suppliers don’t always have the consumer’s best interests at heart.

In fact some might say they are downright ripping us off!

But what do you think? How would you rate your energy supplier’s service? Have you ever been overcharged or ripped off in the past? Or are you happy with how your supplier treats you?

And what about Ofgem? Is the independent regulator doing really doing enough to protect the consumer’s interests? And if energy companies aren’t abiding by the watchdog’s regulations should the government step in and rethink how this hugely significant sector is regulated?

Finally which energy suppliers do you think buck the trend - are the smaller companies such as OVO Energy any better?

George Hill
Posted: 02 September 2010 16:09:27(UTC)
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Every company does their level best to rip off the consumer. A handy (and very common) excuse is to blame the sales people - despite the fact they are brutally targeted to carry out these tactics. Bosses are well aware. Cast your mind back to the Pru and their mis-selling of pensions decade or so back. Of course, senior managers knew what the game was. didn't stop "Chopper" Wood (boss at the time) attempting to make millions bonus out of it. The tactic has a "proud" history though. Cast your mind back to 1917 - decimalization, where EVERYONE put their prices up a BIT more than was strictly fair. Same with VAT increases. Err on the side that makes a bit more than is fair. Budgets? Every year (for example) the price of booze goes up, say, twenty pence a bottle. Yet the price of a "tot" goes up MORE. We are all aware (and *isse* off by the oil giants who rip us off when prices rise OR fall! A particularly sickening thing is - especially with the super utilities - aside from being sold off at bargain basement prices by Maggie, THEN sold on at a vast and quick profit (entirely to foreign firms as today) At one time you didn't mind the Leccy or Gas going up by, say, more than inflation - at least the profits were going into our pockets, by and large. Not so today. In the case of energy, there MUST be a clear line of pricing deals SET out - so the average mug punter can interpret them. Never trust a private company - and never EVER trust a private monopoly - as some of these super utilities are now.
George Hill
Posted: 02 September 2010 16:10:38(UTC)
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Did I say 1917 - even I'm not old enough to remember that date. I meant 1971.
Ann Barton
Posted: 02 September 2010 17:15:37(UTC)
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You certainly need to keep an eye on them and check your bills if you can manage to undertand them especially if you are a customer of npower! Our direct debit for dual fuel was £113 a month and nicely covered the year, but npower sent out letters earlier in the year to say that certain tariffs had come to an end and we were being put onto the standard tariff and our DD would now be £175 from 1st August !
I enquired about their latest tariff 19 and switched last month, and assumed the DD would be recalculated, however the £175 DD was taken yesterday. I emailed this morning and was very surprised to receive a reply this afternoon, the result is that the DD is now £120.
Another thing to watch is that the £100 dual fuel discount is applied at the end of the year as I have had to ask them to apply it to our account twice in the three years we have been customers.
During our first year 2007-2008 we were also overcharged in the now well known 'gas sculpting' issue which Ofgem failed to look into but has been taken up by Consumer Focus.
I send meter readings regularly as npower only issue 'statements' twice a year now instead of quarterly.
Stanley Spencer
Posted: 02 September 2010 18:05:25(UTC)
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I checked the tariffs on my suppliers web site and found I was on the best for me. I decided to look at "Which", lo and behold near the top of the best buys was my supplier - but on a tarif that didn't appear on their website! I duly rang the 0800 number to switch - all went very well until they asked "and who is your current supplier sir?" ... "well it's you actually" After a fair amount of discussion they transfered me to someone in the "Loyalty Department!" I did eventually get my tarif transferred. ... round 1 to me, but I am not going to be complacent.


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JOHN BALL
Posted: 02 September 2010 18:22:35(UTC)
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Classic case of regulatory capture i.e. the industry effectively controls the regulator. In this instance the regulator could easily insist on transparent pricing which would enable us to compare costs ourselves. Insisting on a two part tariff with a flat charge and a charge per unit consumed would do the job nicely. There should also be reasonable charges for installation work. EDF recently charged me £960 for two hours work moving my meter, work which regulations say only the supplier can do. Why the regulator is so ineffective is a matter for speculation but this problem is discussed in all the introductory texts on economics and really shouldn’t happen in real life.
Edward Hicks
Posted: 02 September 2010 19:13:31(UTC)
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My nice supplier first utility gives me a bonus for staying with them for a year. Then they slip onto the end of a routine email a massive increase in standing charges and an increase in unit cost. So, I can lose the bonus by switching and may as well not have used them in the first place. I asked for confirmation of the date I could transfer without loss of bonus but they did not know! Also when they say you only pay for what you use, ie no estimates it means you get low summer bills and massive winter bills. As you have to read the meter each month and email it near the end of the month the remaining days are estimated by them and so all bills are still estimates. Was not impressed with them on phone. They explained that all utility companies are currently applying big increases but I thought the opposite was happening. I will switch at bonus end regardless of cost.
James A Kane
Posted: 02 September 2010 20:18:12(UTC)
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I recently found that the energy company which supplies my office had taken 2 payments in two months by direct debit equivalent to more than a years power usage. When I looked into it a bit deeper I discovered that the contract had come to an end a few months before, that they had automatically renewed the contract without any notice to me, and had almost doubled the price. I tried to change supplier but was prevented from doing so by the old company despite the whole bill being paid up to date. This must be the competition that Mrs Thatcher talked about when she set about privatising all those bad utilities which were owned in the public sector. I'm told by friends that we're very fortunate to have all this competition and of course the quangos which regulate them and look after the consumers interest. At least living in Scotland we still have a publicly owned water company.
John Davenport
Posted: 02 September 2010 22:55:56(UTC)
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Further to Edward Hicks comments about First Utility, I recommend he moves now. I read the same e-mail, got out a calculator and promptly left, waving goodbye to my annual discount..

In 5 months (albeit mostly summer months, but my electricty usage varies little over the year) I have accrued a masive £27.35 of Dual fuel discount - which I will lose as I have to stay until February 28th 2011 to get it. ( Edward - note the qualifying date is on a monthly statement) They don't actually seem to be correctly calculated either, but that's an argument I have now avoided.

These figures relate to isave V3 (now called isave V3.3)

They have raised the electricity and gas standing charges by £113.72 per annum (gas £91.98 to £183.96, Electricity £107.31 to £128.77)

Unit rates for gas go up by 15% (2.482 to 2.855) Electricity up 11% (8.66 to9.610) Inclusive of VAT figures

These high standing charges punish low energy users disproportionaly.

Oh, did I forget to say that they have a 'new' tariff if you join them today - Isave Dual Fuel V4. Lo and behold the electricity standing charge is less than half that of isave V3.3. I didn't bother looking in further detail at the unit rates to see how they intend to get their 'pound of flesh'

First Utility may have been recent entrants to the energy marketplace but they've soon learned to practice every trick in the book like the other suppliers.

I moved to OVO. Have I jumped from 'the fying pan into the fire' ? OVO standing charges are gas £60.00, electricity £66.15. calculation of the charges is quite transparent. It doesn't require a maths degree. The tariff is fixed for a year but there is a penalty for leaving early - £60

I believ my figures are right. If anyone cares to correct my arithmentic, the figures are for the Southern region.

By the way, I do not work for OVO
Jon Gallagher
Posted: 04 September 2010 14:40:07(UTC)
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Of course they are - just check out the prices EDF charge their french customers compared with what they charge us. OFGEM should be renamed SOFTGEM - a weak and powerless organisation with no point in being. No matter how many investigations they carry out they seem powerless to do anything as we have seen prices soaring when wholesale prices go up and taking forever to come down when the wholesale price goes down. The govt dont care as the more we have to pay, the more VAT they rake in so it is in their best interstes to keep prices high and do nothing. What i hate is having to pay a standing charge - what is that all about.
peter-here
Posted: 05 September 2010 11:08:11(UTC)
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re:John Davenport/Edward Hicks
re: First Utility
"They have raised Gas/El. standing charges by £113.72 per annum
Gas £91.98 to £183.96, El. £107.31 to £128.77
Unit rates for gas up by 15% (2.482 to 2.855) Electricity up 11% (8.66 to 9.610) Inclusive of VAT figures
These high standing charges punish low energy users disproportionaly."

And the next step to riches for First Utility
-Smart Tariff Dual Fuel V5-Now being rolled out in the South East
El: Standing charge: 18.74p day Year £68.40 Unit:10.383p
Gas 47.88p day Year £174.76 Unit: 2.383p
Tactic: You receive a letter from : Onstream -Utility Metering Service giving you a short notice installation
date for a smart meter.
First Utility do not contact you in any way regarding the Tariff for the Smart Meter-perhaps believing that ignorance is bliss.
Smart Meter's have until now were Midlands only.
The above Tariff applies to Birmingham Library B15 2TT ......laughs
I bet we beggers in the South will pay more.
I am in process of changing to Sainsbury's-very polite lady named Jane
I am hoping they will be too busy stacking shelves -and forget to increase their charges in the next year .

The Price of Retaining a few coppers in your Bank Account is forever diligence-and changing suppliers -like they do Guards at Buckingham Palace
p.s. my duel fuel discount is due on 30 Sept 10 It started out as 12.5% reduced to 10% and now capped at £120
the ever moving finger of fate-all within the year.
Perhaps they should change the name from First Utility to Versatility
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