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Are you buying back into shares?
Chris Marshall (Citywire)
Posted: 31 August 2010 16:27:23(UTC)
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Last week, while stock markets were falling and every piece of economic data created ‘double dip‘ headlines, we learnt that one of Britain’s most respected fund managers had slashed his fund’s cash holding by more than two thirds.

Philip Gibbs who runs the Jupiter Financial Opportunities fund with Guy de Blonay, had just over 41% of the fund’s assets in cash in June, but by July the figure had fallen to just 13.65%. The cash has been used to increase the fund’s exposure to all geographic regions, particularly Europe and the UK, but not North America. Gibbs has also moved out of the safe haven of gold in another of his funds. You can get more detail here: http://www.citywire.co.u...lls-out-of-gold/a426020

In fact, after five months in which fund managers reduced their allocation to shares, a Reuters poll of 11 big investors published today showed a marked move into these riskier assets.

The message? Fears of a return to recession may be overblown and UK companies with overseas earnings can make a mint.

Reuters’ Chris Vellacott quoted Andrew Milligan, head of global strategy at Standard Life Investments: ‘Concerns about a double-dip recession are certainly overblown. Too few investors look at economic history. In reality such events are really rather rare, especially once a private sector recovery has begun.’

While Alec Letchfield, chief investment officer for wealth at HSBC Global Asset Management, told the newswire: ‘In terms of positioning in the UK equity market, we would stress that thanks to the globally diversified nature of the UK equity market, only about a third of market-wide earnings come from the UK economy.’

Meanwhile, you have the likes of Albert Edwards warning that investors – at least those in the US – are in for a 'rude shock'.

This leads to numerous questions for the smaller investor – if you have been sitting on the sidelines, is now the time to sell down that cash pile and move more of your money into shares? Or are you wary of the opinions of financial experts and will steer well clear thank-you-very-much?
Alistair Beattie
Posted: 31 August 2010 16:43:00(UTC)
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The answer to the question is that nobody knows. For every well reasoned opinion there is an equal and opposite one. What is very clear is that there are more people holding a dismal outlook than a positive one. As always, this could generate a self fulfilling prophesy as experts talk down any possible recovery. Then there is no confidence and the recovery is postponed.
Keith Snell
Posted: 31 August 2010 17:25:44(UTC)
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When we begin to measure every country and region of the world in terms of annual profit and loss, based on import/export costs on some form of internationally agreed criteria we might be able to assess real performance more readily. At the moment differing accountancy standards and reliability of individual countries standards of honesty e.g Greece, serve to muddy the waters and obscure valid reasons relative performance of individual currencies. Ratings by Standard and Poor and the like have shown themseves to be little more than guesswork. It is time investors were provided with more reliable information and countries as well as companies were fined for missleading statistics. The fine pool could finance recompense for missleading investors
joe stalin
Posted: 31 August 2010 17:50:40(UTC)
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I have been buying since February 2009. I have had to sweat it out since March of this year but feel I made the right choice to ignore the negative nonsense endlessly being pumped out by the Financial media notably the Pink paper, CNBC and Bloomberg. Earnings have by far exceeded expectations, Company managements have shown again and again that they recognised what they were up against and took the action(s) necessary to bolster profitability in a difficult trading environment. Why oh why do we pay so much attention to the talking heads whose sole objective is to drive more and money into bonds. We are heading for a monumental blow out as the herds keep being driven into the barn. Who is going to shout "fire" I wonder? I look at the performance of my managed pension and cannot but wonder why I am paying somebody to mis-manage my money so badly. I am glad I ignored the barage of mis in formation and took matters in my own hands. There will be no double dip despite the bond market's best efforts to try and convince anyone prepared to listen. The good news? Interest rates are likely to remain low for the foreseeable future making equities all the more attractive, particularly those that continue to pay dividends year in year out. When the banks say they are going back into the black and builders say they have already sold a substantial portion of next year's order book, have dramatically reduced gearing and are happy to resume paying a dividend why should we pay attention to the muppets who are merely talking their book(s)
Joe Soap
Posted: 31 August 2010 17:57:18(UTC)
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Gibbs has underperformed this year anyway, so why follow him? Nobody knows. I have been buying the market all the way down and all the way back up and will I continue to do so every month. IMO, it's all that the small investor can realistically do. I am buying income generating equity and I admit to being nervous as the returns have not been good, so far. But I remain invested and in the meantime, reinvest the dividends. I can't see where else to get a decent return on my pension fund on a 10 year horizon.
Martin Selwood
Posted: 31 August 2010 18:58:17(UTC)
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I find one satisfactory way of knowing how well a share is performing is to watch it for a few weeks. A gradual and steady rise is a sign that it is doing well. Providing all the other points are satisfactory, I invest. No one knows for certain, but it´s one way of knowing whether to invest or not.
ISA23
Posted: 31 August 2010 19:07:25(UTC)
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My gut feeling: it's too early to buy as stocks are heading a lot lower. I'm not worried about double dip in US or Europe debt problems (worrisom as they are). My main worry is China, on which so much hope in pinned at the moment. I'm not worried about growth rates coming down to 7 or 8 or even 5%. My fear is that the officials are fiddling with the statistics and hiding problems such as double digit inflation and over-capacity. From what I hear things are quite bad on the ground...wages are not rising enough to keep up with inflation, and the reports of domestic consumption are widely exaggerated. When you hear Chinese workers committing suicide to demand higher wages, you know things are not as rosy as government statistics have you believe.
Steven Dotsch
Posted: 31 August 2010 21:16:48(UTC)
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From my perspective, as a long term income investor with a "buy-on-the-dips / BOGOF" type of attitude, we are still a long way from the moment before I will be seriously considering additional purchases. So, currently happily gathering surplus cash and waiting for the, in my mind, inevitable event: the crash of 2011.

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JK
Posted: 01 September 2010 09:25:09(UTC)
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That's the spirit - ignore fundamentals and follow the herd. What can possibily go wrong?
Joe Soap
Posted: 01 September 2010 09:52:23(UTC)
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The more people who say they're not buying, the more convinced I am that I am right to keep buying regularly. Only when everyone is buying will it be time for me to rethink that attitude. I find the negativity quite reassuring really.
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 01 September 2010 10:08:36(UTC)
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I agree with Joe Soap (and in this case Mr Buffet) be greedy when others are afraid. My chief mistake was to sell half my XP Power when they doubled during the worst of the 2008 - 2009 market. They have almost tripled since. It is a stock pickers market.
Terence Brown
Posted: 01 September 2010 13:39:02(UTC)
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Am I buying back in??? Hell, I've never been "out"

After all, what's the alternative? Deposit accounts? ISA's? Bonds?Spreads? NAH!!!

To reiterate a previous post, one of my holdings is in good old fashioned, boring National Grid which currently returns between 7 and 8%, increasing year on year by a further 8% to at least 2012, and is on track to reach the former highs attained prior to the rights issue (which I fully subscribed to).

I'm sticking with equities, and have done all along - screw the so-called analysts and "experts" who, let's face it, change their advice by the minute and aren't even consistent between themselves.

Keep piling in while the bargains are still out there I say.
joe stalin
Posted: 02 September 2010 09:05:56(UTC)
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You are absolutely spot on TB. Institutional investors are sitting on their hands becuase they are being scared out of the equity markets by the hedge and bond funds. Both are short equities and long bonds and will devote any time and resources they have to use the hapless media idiots to peddle apocalypse scenarios helpful to their positions. As we saw from yesterdays' snap back rally the market is getting tired of bein sat on by these crooks. Sadly the the institutional funds continue to watch from the sidelines as a lot of money is now run by kiddies barely out of school. Gibbs, Nutt , Woodford and others like them have it all before. They may not always get it right but at least they have the experience that many of the current grop of fund managers lack. By the time the herd begins to put their money to work the future value of the pensions many of their customers were hoping to get will have been substantially lowered. Hedge funds and some of the large bond funds are mugging us on a daily basis. Do your own research and back up the truck - dont give your future wealth to the Mayfair muggers.
Ines
Posted: 02 September 2010 09:44:47(UTC)
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Are you buying gold or gold related shares? Centamin is doing well, can't decide whether to take profits and move back into a high yielder.
Steven Dotsch
Posted: 02 September 2010 09:54:39(UTC)
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Hi Terence

I am glad you are pointing out one of the higher yielding FTSE100 companies.

You may be interested in our write-up on National Grid's dividend history and prospects, at http://www.early-retirem...d-dividend-history.html

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Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 02 September 2010 11:46:12(UTC)
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Ines

I made my third buy of Centamin Egypt last week and think there is lots of upward movement in the price still. See my remarks on XP Power above. Even when you buy a share for income you cannot guarantee the dividends will be maintained. That isn't just the BPs and credit crunched banks of this world but companies which suddenly decide to have buy backs instead of dividends. Point in case Raven Russia, a builder and lessor of logistics parks has just done this because of tax advantages - not particularly my tax advantage! Having said which I maintain a balance of high yielders and growth stocks. Mind you, I bought XP Power at a yield of 6.99 per cent in March 2008 which has come down to 2.58 per cent mainly through the share price rising.

If you do decide to go for income have a look at Greenwich Loan Income Fund which I bought on the same day as my latest addition to Centamin Egypt.. The other main feature of my portfolio is that only 14 per cent is in companies making all of their money in the UK with a similar proportion of US market only companies. All the usual caveats apply. DYOR etcetera.

Jeremy
Ines
Posted: 02 September 2010 19:27:07(UTC)
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Thanks for the feedback Jeremy. I will stay with Centamin for the moment. I also do country diversification, mainly Asia (but not Japan). I'm sure the US and the EU will come back, but I don't feel it is quite yet. I will have a look at the Greenwich Loan Income Fund - and I agree about dividends being a bit unreliable! Lloyds, Persimmon etc etc.....
joe stalin
Posted: 03 September 2010 09:17:01(UTC)
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I am pretty relaxed about dividends being restored. The banks will do so as soon as they can as they are well aware of what they owe investors in their shares. I could see Lloyds buying back stock or even look in to offering to buy out some of the Govt's stake so that they can restore the divi. The builders of course do not face any regulatory hurdles as we have already seen in the case of Persimmon. I am sure others will follow next year so the time to look at them is now imo. Cant see BP waiting much beyond the end of this year either.
Joe Soap
Posted: 03 September 2010 19:59:20(UTC)
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Read this, then buy into equities!

http://www.telegraph.co....ead-long-live-bonds.html
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 03 September 2010 20:20:36(UTC)
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Joe Soap is right.

People who bought and held index trackers, invested via churning unit trusts or commission grabbing advisers are certainly down. Those who paid attention to their own affairs are well up.
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