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Want to be rich in retirement? Let the wife do the investing
Rich Harris (Citywire)
Posted: 09 September 2010 08:11:02(UTC)
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I'm reading a great book at the moment called The Little Book of Behavioural Investing by James Montier - forum regular Jeremy Bosk recommended it on a recent discussion (http://www.citywire.co.uk/money/what-s-on-your-summer-reading-list/b418655) and there was a copy lying about on a colleague's desk so I snaffled it.

It's all about how the traits we acquired while dodging predators in the savannah have left us ill-equipped for survival in the world of modern finance. Emotion, instinct, confirmation bias, over-confidence, optimism, and a host of other characteristics very well understood by psychologists but less well understood in the City, mean we're more or less hardwired to make bad investment decisions.

Anyway, one of the many interesting nuggets in the book concerns the whole Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus issue. We menfolk like to presume we understand weighty matters like global economics, and are thus suitably equipped to do manly things like play the stockmarket.

Women, on the other hand, are generally more risk averse, less cocksure, and consequently less likely to invest actively.

The punchline of course is that women typically achieve much greater returns, mostly because they don't incur the costs of frequent trading.

Men, the conclusion is clear - if you want to be rich in retirement, you need to hand over the password for your fund supermarket account to the missus.

So, readers (of both genders): does this tally with your experience? And how have you married couples tackled this potentially rather fraught issue?
bill w.
Posted: 09 September 2010 13:27:08(UTC)
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Joined: 29/07/2008(UTC)
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You must be joking !!! her indoors, just lurves shopping she presenly has a £6k credit card balance, handover our pension to her and retire in penury (with some very nice shoes n bags though)
MT-wife investor
Posted: 09 September 2010 13:57:57(UTC)
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Joined: 11/08/2010(UTC)
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I do all investment for both of us. I do everything including asset allocation, strategy building and actual investment in equities and bonds. My stance is conservative and flexible. I have started investment in 2005, and so far survived the financial crisis. My husband has no interest in investment. Generally I am more a risk taker than he is.

My both parents had invested in equities. My father lost lots of money. My mother got her own house built from the profit she gained from share trading. I like to believe that I have more of mother's blood!
Colin Newbury
Posted: 09 September 2010 14:25:48(UTC)
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Joined: 24/06/2010(UTC)
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My wife and I both have ISA and SIPP investments and hers ALWAYS do better than mine, even if I choose the safer route with UK equity Income funds. The way we run our investments decisions is to look at everything together, two heads are better than one after all, I seem to spot the trends better than her, but her choices of funds tend to out-perform mine, so from now on she has the final word. Of course this makes her "feel" like she's in charge which is always a good thing.
JT
Posted: 09 September 2010 14:40:08(UTC)
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Joined: 16/11/2009(UTC)
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I am about to buy my first car and have looked into finance deals / bank loans to help me out. I approached the 'bank of Dad' (a moderately popular bank supported by a recent pension commencement lump sum payment).

After negotiating a rate of interest that beats all high street products for his cash, and a rate that helps me beat the possible loans, i was swiftly refferred to the bank manager - Mum...

I swiftly took my business elsewhere
Sooz Blooz
Posted: 09 September 2010 15:26:07(UTC)
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We both make our own investment decisions and find it rather fun to compete. I (the Mrs) am inclined to take more risks than my husband and thus my portfolio is fairing much better than his. I look at various options and then make a decision on what to do and then stick with it unless it starts to look wrong, when I jump out quickly if that then seems the best thing to do. My husband actively trades.....and is inclined to add more and more as his stocks get cheaper, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.

My mother took care of her own portfolio of blue chips and did very well, as did her mother.....whereas the chaps were not very good at investment at all.....and were a perfect example of first generation makes it, second keeps it, third loses it....
snoekie
Posted: 09 September 2010 15:31:22(UTC)
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Ah but then there are those that spend, and over spend, the income and savings. Those numbers are not small. If they don't have spending money, it is the man's fault and they move on, taking half (+++) of any assets acquired by the cautious one.

Until my ex became my ex, I was always playing catch-up on her spending, usually bargains which were then shoved into a cupboard and eventually tipped in the trash because she never went on to implement her intention, but also spending made her feel good.

Now some years after the split I have fairly solid assets. The half +++ she got on the split was squandered within 3 years and she then was living off benefits. Net result is my kids are now savers and qualifications that allow them to earn decent money.

On the other hand, my mother was a shrewd investor and a penny pincher (except for herself), but only because she made dad pay for everything whilst not contributing to the budget even when she could easily have done so, and battered us around with threats....
m r
Posted: 09 September 2010 17:25:09(UTC)
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Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC)
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you are special dear but i agree with bill w.
tomatoman
Posted: 09 September 2010 17:50:09(UTC)
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Joined: 24/07/2010(UTC)
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Like others, we each handle our own........but compare notes frequently to ensure our portfolios are complementary.........it doen't matter who's performing best, as long as there's a bit of competition!
We've been in ISA's since 1993, but cashed the lot in June 2008........whew! We're now rebuilding now we're BOTH retired, with my wife, non-taxed, going for OEIC's and gradually syphoning into ISA's.
We weathered the post-Millenium slump, but my biggest regret was listening to advisors about switching to Equity Income because of retirement. Maybe it was just bad timing but that's our ONLY prime regret in nearly two decades.
U gauge
Posted: 10 September 2010 00:35:44(UTC)
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Joined: 12/05/2010(UTC)
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If you're talking about frequent trading, that's very true. If you're talking about about my wife investing, forget it. Both are financial disasters!
U gauge
Posted: 10 September 2010 00:38:54(UTC)
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Joined: 12/05/2010(UTC)
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But I love them both to bits!
Anthony Palmer
Posted: 10 September 2010 08:05:30(UTC)
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Joined: 10/01/2008(UTC)
Posts: 2

This missus says ' I wouldn't have any investments as they just seem to go down'!!
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